The Pickup Artist Season 2 Episode 1 on VH1

Well I saw this about a week ago when VH1 "leaked" it and the Atlanta Lair picked it up, and found the marketing ploy worked great... because I found myself having to know if my hunch was right about who'd get canned. So I watched it all over again on Sunday night.
Yeah I was right. I thought there was a slight possibility Mystery might dump Rian instead of Alex, which would have been really disappointing, but I just had one of those Unicorny hunches about the fat boy.
What I don't like about the show is how they cut the real hardcases off first. In episode 1 Mystery was DIEING to can the old dude. He almost looked flustered trying to not be so obvious about convincing Spoon to stay. And this season he goes for the hardest case first. It begs the question, can MM really work for any guy? Or does it just work for young guys who aren't overweight? I didn't see Joe D. get any make-outs last year either.

Now, the show has already been recapped buy some famous PUAs, and out of the three I read I found Mehow's most insightful.

Mehow's Blog

Mehow might be a little over-into this, like an obssessive sports fan, but he's got the best updates, insider news, and probably the most informed take on it.

Yeah he's using his critiques and Pick Up Artist Hits to subtly show customers that he knows his shit and could easily transform these sufferers of "surface problems," but he was spot on for the most part.

I'm glad to see he agreed with me on a few points, but was surprised he thought that Alex slips into "gay mode" as opposed to really being gay.
Trust me, Alex has just GOT to be gay or there is no order left anywhere in the universe!

Here were my comments to Mehow's initial post:

How many openers and gimmicks are they going to expose? I’m glad it’s Mystery and not Neil or he’d prolly expose HW analysis and the Cube for us.
Will the contestents still be getting a open VIP couch and limo so that bouncing to isolation is easy even for an afc?
I was mainly upset about Spoon getting eliminated last time, even though he did it to himself. It reminded me of that poor country boy in Full Metal Jacket. I hope that Spoon continued his studies and is doing well with girls these days, I LIKED him!
Also, there was only one guy over like 25 on the show last time. He was 40 plus and pretty hopeless. Are they going to have some 30 plus peeps on there this time?
If Mystery and his boys are the kings of teaching club game, then he needs to get a 40 year old to the last elimination. Teaching youngin’s game on shallow chicks isn’t all that impressive, but if that 40 something had of actually gotten laid I might have been impressed.

-Maestro

Mehow Says:

Spoon’s been getting laid hard core so you don’t have to worry about him.

The cast is younger this time than last season which I’m not happy about … i’d like them to show some 35+ people with success. VH1 caters to the older crowd so I’m not sure why it was all young all the time.

I wasn’t happy about Spoon quitting either - expect more stuff like that this season though.

I don’t think a lot of gambits will be exposed … the infield segments are brief like last season plus the guys were teaching a lot of natural game.

-Mehow

Mehow's Pick: He's Pulling for Karl, Alex, Rian and the Asian guys but looks like he thinks Simeon will Win

Next up is Sinn's post on the game. I didn't think it was as insightful as Mehow's, but at least he recognized Alex's obvious pure unadulterated gheyness. I don't have anything against gay people, but when they pretend to be on the other side just to get TV time and a chance to breathe in their heart-throb celbrity's shadow, it kinda ticks me off. were Rian and Alex the only actual loser's loser's to choose from? They couldn't find a fat effiminate guy who actually WANTS help getting laid....by women?

Here are my responses to Sinn's post, who I already have a slight issue with for falsely and subtly putting down other Seduction Systems in order to promote his upcoming Coaching Program in the guise of a "Game Accelorator" free mini-ebook that was mostly rehashed stuff. But much respect for him because he actually let my comments fly by his screening:
Sinn's Blog

Here are some of Sinn's comments that kinda irked me:

Now it's time for Mystery and Matador to go in. This year they don't peacock. They both do well despite being C list celebrities. Seriously VH1? I know they didn't peacock but they still get recognized as they walk in. You can see it on the show. they're greeted by a mixed group before they say anything as The Pick Up Artist guys... This proves nothing. O.J Simpson still gets laid by hot girls and he allegedly killed his last wife. Fame overrides all game. They should have had a few of VA's approach coaches go in, so that the guys could actually see real cold approaches. I feel like VH1 really dropped the ball here....

After the formalities of the guys being amazed by celebrities making out with girls, it's time for makeovers.

-Sinn

Uhh...what they showed was a neatly edited typical night out for a guy like me when I DON'T get laid. What warranted Sinn to think that celebrity status would be needed for even a mediocre PUA to get this kind of action? Maybe some of the girl's recognized Matador and Mystery, but I don't doubt that they could do it without being famous in another club at all...because I do the same damn thing all the time and I'm not famous!

What was the big deal? An eskimo kiss? A make-out? Introducing girls to your friends? A woman striking up a conversation with a person she doesn't know by grabbing him while he walks by? Acknowledging a woman so she won't drag her friend away? Wow mad skills, dude.

Sounds like a typical night at a bar to me, and it doesn't even mean you're getting laid.

Doesn't this happen to you, Sinn?

OK next wierd comment-


"Tara's a hot chick I don't respect because she slept with Mystery. Or so the rumor I've heard goes. I have absolutely no respect for any girl who sleeps with Erik, and have actually canceled dates with girls because of this."

Your girls have slept with worse than Mystery, Sinn. they're girls, they have hormones, so what? That's just your pride limiting your opportunitties...or something.

Yeah I guess she's a hot chick, in fact beautiful, just not very sexual or sensual. Too much work to get her out of autopilot and into the 4th level of her mind, for way too little sexual reward. Who cares if she slept with Mystery.


"Tara is also a REMARKABLY bad actress. She's so unconvincing they have to cut away from her as she's talking about how she believes in what Mystery teaches."

Yeah and she prolly doesn't even know she doesn't believe in it.

"Wow one guy had never had a professional haircut. How does that even happen? I mean at what point do you decide it's not ok for your mom to cut your hair anymore. For me it was like 6."

How? It can happen when your not a metrosexual in LA. I shave my own shit and it looks delicious, bitch! Just the shadow of the bowie knife.


"We get the first almost breakdown of the show by Rian, and Tara does a half assed job of reassuring him. She halfheartedly tells him that EVERYONE has insecurities. Thank you for your insight Tara. I totally see why they got rid of the awesome Jdog for you."

I wonder if Sinn would have put down Speed Seduction in his Game Acceleration post if he had known that praising J-Dog contradicts what he said about the method, as J-Dog was a very successful SS student before he got into Planet Hollywood?


You can read the rest of Sinn's article here:


Sinn on PUA 2

Sinn's Faorite: Carl, the guy who got cheated on, plays half-ass guitar, and works at Radio Shack.

Now last up is Thundercat's take on this whole thing. Thundie would have made a good contestant, as he is an rafc despite his yearly Top 10 PUA List. he is a social fat guy with mad internet marketing skills and a great sense of humor, but I'm far from convinced that he actually has sex with any of his hot female friends. He looks like LJBF material if I ever saw it, and he teaches mostly AFC game. A guy needs something more powerful than just dating tips on steroids when he's fat and bald, and Thundie seems absolutely carebear huggy to me.

Thundercat on The PUA

Here are my comments:


BTW…King Kosmo did worse than the fatty his first night out, but Mystery didn’t fire him.
‘Splain that!
I think it’s cuz the dude is gay and Mystery knew it, whether the dude knows it or not.
Forget the silly bling- did you see the SCARF on that broom-pusher?
Erik von aint lettin’ nobody live at the pad who’s just there for the 10 secs of fame.

Yup the “Spark” Mystery was talking about was……..ACTUAL ATTRACTION TO WOMEN! A desire to bang them, even!

Not a desire to parade your fat-ass ‘cross a department store wearing something FABulous while your crush’s film crew follows it!

I wonder if the boy gave Mystery an SOI backstage and it freaked him?

-Maestro

Thundercat's Pick for Winner: Todd, the guy in LJBF land, or Kevin, the afro-less Asian guy.



Seduction Maestro's Pick: Simeon Vs. Greg in the finals. Simeon has more drive, greg has more creativity. We shall see.

One thing I disagree with all the critics on - this season's contestants aren't any more afc than last year's. No old dude even. The only fat guy got eliminated immediately. Only guy left that would really impress me if he got good is Rian, and even he can do it easily. I wanna see some REAL nerds with REAL problems, and I want to see them changed like they get changed as SS and Essential Skills seminars...or I'll keep thinking that MM is just good for normal guys.


And by the way, where are the black dudes? Is it the stereotype that African Americans are born with game? Certainly African is more prevalent than Phillipino in America? Why isn't Jesse Jackson stomping on Mystery's fur hat about now?

Next season I want old guys, bald guys, fat guys, and really ugly guys...or it means that MM aint as powerful as another system I know about!

Thundercat Talks Shit and I Have to Step Up and Break Him Down

Below I've posted Thundercat's original article about the Leykis/Jeffries debate supplemented with my commentswhere appropriate. This Thundercat guy is a real tool and I see him constantly displaying his lack of knowledge and experience in the seduction field on his blog. My comments are in bold italics.


Leykis Vs. Jeffries


No bigsurprise that MINE'99 likes to attack people who are better than him (which is pretty much just about everybody in the scene). And in one of his latest blog posts, he targets Tom Lykis, popular radio personality and "Hollywood Ladies Man."

Check out this rant Ross spewed...

Ross Jeffries writes:
Dear Speed Seduction(R) Student,

One of the questions I’m sometimes asked is, “What do you think of Tom Leykis and Leykis 101?”

For those of you who don’t know, Leykis has an enormously popular syndicated radio talk show(he’s on 97.1 FM here in Southern California) where he mostly preaches his misogynist doctrine on success with women, called Leykis 101.

While Leykis talks about the importance of having game, which is certainly important, it his definition of what game is that is troublesome and twisted.

Essentially Leykis believes that women are attracted mostly to men with money, and that women have sex not because they mostly enjoy it, but to latch on to a man and use him as a meal ticket. And he further believes that by treating women like trash, they will feel the need to validate themselves by sleeping with the men who treat them in this fashion.

For him, game is therefore about lying to women about your social-economic status to make yourself more appealing and treating women like doo doo.

What isn’t stated in all of this is what I actually find most troubling; that sex is basically about dumping your load on or into someone who visually excites you but emotionally repels you. It’s about stimulation and discharge and nothing more; a sort of very vivid and interactive jack-off.

Isn’t it interesting? His view of women and how they should be treated, matches up and reflects his experience of sex. If you hold people as contemptible then how could you view joining with them intimately as something other than contemptible at worst, or merely mechanical build up and release at best?

And beyond that, his ideas are inaccurate to be generous about it. The biggest inaccuracy that women don’t enjoy and crave sex for its own sake, and that pretending to be able to buy them is the best way to go about things.

Very sad for Tom and for those listeners he badly misleads. For those of us who know how to capture and lead womens’ imagination and emotions, we know how utterly unnecessary the contempt and the lying is, and how grateful women are to be lead to the kinds of wonderful feelings they deeply crave.

Dump the hate, Tom. And open up your mind.

Peace and piece,

RJ

P.S. If you are a Leykis listener I especially invite your comments.


Well, Ross, you're in luck, because I AM a Lykis listener, and I've got some comments...

>First of all - I love how MINE'99 berates Tom for hating women, when its obvious to anyone with a brain that Ross has more hate and bitterness towards women than any man since Ted Bundy.

How so? he treats the ones I've seen him with pretty well, and keeps names and situations much more annonymous on the net than most money grubbing PUA gurus do.

>(The only difference here is that women tended to LIKE Ted Bundy before he went all psycho killer on them.)

Just hurling insults with nothing to back them up? Another sign of insecurity. No wonder you can't simply ask a girl her number at a supermarket, even when you've got good rapport with her.

>Need I remind the world that Ross is the guy who proudly taught people how to regress a woman back to childhood and fuck with her sexual identity so you can have sex with them?

Where do you get this stuff? I certainly haven't ever seen anything like that in the 14 years I've been keeping up with SS.

Now, age regression is a great hypnotic technique that can change people's lives for the better, and technology has no morality. I've age regressed people for their benefit because they asked me to, or because we were having fun in that playful state that only kids usually get to experience. But it wasn't "fucking with a woman's mind to get laid."

I know it's hard for you to grasp because you seem to come from an extremely strict religious background. But there's nothing wrong with yoga, meditation, hypnosis, or whatever. It's just a really relaxing state, and Jesus don't mind if you relax your brain and enjoy yourself.


> How women are nothing but objects to be turned into "sex slaves" through hypnosis?

No, never heard that either. Maybe it's in the marketing of the old Penthouse magazines? Don't me stupid, dude, you at least grasp the basics of marketing and headlining, no?

>Anyone who was in the early days of SS knows how bitter Ross is towards women.

Last time I checked "bitter" was an emotion not a life-long disease, and I don't recall much bitterness in him anyways.
You, however, that's a different story.

> This is also a guy who joked about hypnotizing his brother's wife into giving him a blowjob.

Man you can really dig shit up out of some back alley, can't you?
Did he do actually do it or did he joke about it? If it's the latter, lighten up. If it's the fomer, what does this have to do with the fact that this Lykis guy is a joke, and that Ross was %100 right about him?


>To me, its obvious that Ross misses the boat when it comes to what Tom Lykis teaches. Tom's show is really about how men need to take power back from a feminist, anti-male, society.

Hmmm...do I catch a wiff of...bitterness?


> He sees how men are degraded and robbed of their power in this world, and his aim is to EDUCATE men on how to keep their power, especially with women.

Well I'm not robbed of my power, Thundercat. I'm glad the world is like you, hypnotized and on autopilot, because that gives me the easy power to WAKE PEOPLE UP and turn them on to things that your little mind couldn't possibly imagine.

I'm sorry that evolution has dealt you a raw deal, and that you aren't able to learn the higher forms of seduction that would make you THE MAN instead of a poser of the MAN, but so it goes.

>Let me tell you - if ANY GUY out there has a problem with supplication, it'll be cured by listening to Tom Lykis. Sure, sometimes he goes too far and can sound very bitter about women. But for the most part, he speaks the truth.

Yeah, if you can't make a girl feel like a playful kid again, make her whole world a sensual playground without even having touched her, and fuck her in
a way she's never known before and will never know again, I guess you have to pretend like you have money and fame and are a dick to get laid.


>Tom's philosophy can really be divided into two parts - one is the technique, which is all about "getting laid for less money." The other is the philosophy, which is about having self respect, retaining your power, and keeping society from cutting off your balls.

Why would I even think about those things? They are a given, and you guys seem really worried about losing them.

>His point is that women don't undertand a man's need for sex. For us, ejaculation is as necessary as going to the bathroom.

He fails to under stand that sex is just as necessary for them. But they rarely if ever get really good sex. Mostly cuz guys like you think of nothing but ejaculating.


>Tom's philosophy is that if women aren't pleasing their men, their men will look for it elsewhere because that physical need to ejaculate is so strong.

Or they watch porn. What's the point and how does it help us? We gonna make all the women listen to this guys radio show?

> Ross tries to paint it as though Tom has this shallow view of sex, when in reality, he's trying to educate women on men's physical urges.


No, Ross probably sees alot of flaws and damaging info in this bratty jocky's memes and recognizes the opportunitty to do some good marketing while helping to derail the snake oil medicine show. Is that really so bad?

I mean here you are, the epitome of RAFC, and your making money off of a seduction site. If I were all pent up like you, I might fault you for it.


>Tom has been married 6 times. To my knowledge, Ross has never been married.

LOL being married 6 times (which equals six failures) is better than never being married ( which equals 0 failures and 0 dependents) ?
Jeez you've never actually been in a long term relationship, have you Thundy?

>and Tom has banged hundreds of women. To my knowledge, I don't know of any women Ross has banged.

Yes, Ross is one of the only gentlemen left in the PUA scene, and doesn't seem to have to expose his women to gain bragging rights. Since you know that Ross is good with women, I guess now your rant has just become a kind of age regression, and your reaching for straws.

I'm glad you look up to someone who brags about how many women he's "banged" enough that you can count them.

> (That's not to say there aren't any, I just don't know of any) Tom gets hot girls, and Ross, well, doesn't. Tom is rich. Ross isn't.

Not gonna back those statements up, are you, my
country bumpkin?