Below I've posted Thundercat's original article about the Leykis/Jeffries debate supplemented with my commentswhere appropriate. This Thundercat guy is a real tool and I see him constantly displaying his lack of knowledge and experience in the seduction field on his blog. My comments are in bold italics.
Leykis Vs. Jeffries
No bigsurprise that MINE'99 likes to attack people who are better than him (which is pretty much just about everybody in the scene). And in one of his latest blog posts, he targets Tom Lykis, popular radio personality and "Hollywood Ladies Man."
Check out this rant Ross spewed...
Ross Jeffries writes:
Dear Speed Seduction(R) Student,
One of the questions I’m sometimes asked is, “What do you think of Tom Leykis and Leykis 101?”
For those of you who don’t know, Leykis has an enormously popular syndicated radio talk show(he’s on 97.1 FM here in Southern California) where he mostly preaches his misogynist doctrine on success with women, called Leykis 101.
While Leykis talks about the importance of having game, which is certainly important, it his definition of what game is that is troublesome and twisted.
Essentially Leykis believes that women are attracted mostly to men with money, and that women have sex not because they mostly enjoy it, but to latch on to a man and use him as a meal ticket. And he further believes that by treating women like trash, they will feel the need to validate themselves by sleeping with the men who treat them in this fashion.
For him, game is therefore about lying to women about your social-economic status to make yourself more appealing and treating women like doo doo.
What isn’t stated in all of this is what I actually find most troubling; that sex is basically about dumping your load on or into someone who visually excites you but emotionally repels you. It’s about stimulation and discharge and nothing more; a sort of very vivid and interactive jack-off.
Isn’t it interesting? His view of women and how they should be treated, matches up and reflects his experience of sex. If you hold people as contemptible then how could you view joining with them intimately as something other than contemptible at worst, or merely mechanical build up and release at best?
And beyond that, his ideas are inaccurate to be generous about it. The biggest inaccuracy that women don’t enjoy and crave sex for its own sake, and that pretending to be able to buy them is the best way to go about things.
Very sad for Tom and for those listeners he badly misleads. For those of us who know how to capture and lead womens’ imagination and emotions, we know how utterly unnecessary the contempt and the lying is, and how grateful women are to be lead to the kinds of wonderful feelings they deeply crave.
Dump the hate, Tom. And open up your mind.
Peace and piece,
RJ
P.S. If you are a Leykis listener I especially invite your comments.
Well, Ross, you're in luck, because I AM a Lykis listener, and I've got some comments...
>First of all - I love how MINE'99 berates Tom for hating women, when its obvious to anyone with a brain that Ross has more hate and bitterness towards women than any man since Ted Bundy.
How so? he treats the ones I've seen him with pretty well, and keeps names and situations much more annonymous on the net than most money grubbing PUA gurus do.
>(The only difference here is that women tended to LIKE Ted Bundy before he went all psycho killer on them.)
Just hurling insults with nothing to back them up? Another sign of insecurity. No wonder you can't simply ask a girl her number at a supermarket, even when you've got good rapport with her.
>Need I remind the world that Ross is the guy who proudly taught people how to regress a woman back to childhood and fuck with her sexual identity so you can have sex with them?
Where do you get this stuff? I certainly haven't ever seen anything like that in the 14 years I've been keeping up with SS.
Now, age regression is a great hypnotic technique that can change people's lives for the better, and technology has no morality. I've age regressed people for their benefit because they asked me to, or because we were having fun in that playful state that only kids usually get to experience. But it wasn't "fucking with a woman's mind to get laid."
I know it's hard for you to grasp because you seem to come from an extremely strict religious background. But there's nothing wrong with yoga, meditation, hypnosis, or whatever. It's just a really relaxing state, and Jesus don't mind if you relax your brain and enjoy yourself.
> How women are nothing but objects to be turned into "sex slaves" through hypnosis?
No, never heard that either. Maybe it's in the marketing of the old Penthouse magazines? Don't me stupid, dude, you at least grasp the basics of marketing and headlining, no?
>Anyone who was in the early days of SS knows how bitter Ross is towards women.
Last time I checked "bitter" was an emotion not a life-long disease, and I don't recall much bitterness in him anyways.
You, however, that's a different story.
> This is also a guy who joked about hypnotizing his brother's wife into giving him a blowjob.
Man you can really dig shit up out of some back alley, can't you?
Did he do actually do it or did he joke about it? If it's the latter, lighten up. If it's the fomer, what does this have to do with the fact that this Lykis guy is a joke, and that Ross was %100 right about him?
>To me, its obvious that Ross misses the boat when it comes to what Tom Lykis teaches. Tom's show is really about how men need to take power back from a feminist, anti-male, society.
Hmmm...do I catch a wiff of...bitterness?
> He sees how men are degraded and robbed of their power in this world, and his aim is to EDUCATE men on how to keep their power, especially with women.
Well I'm not robbed of my power, Thundercat. I'm glad the world is like you, hypnotized and on autopilot, because that gives me the easy power to WAKE PEOPLE UP and turn them on to things that your little mind couldn't possibly imagine.
I'm sorry that evolution has dealt you a raw deal, and that you aren't able to learn the higher forms of seduction that would make you THE MAN instead of a poser of the MAN, but so it goes.
>Let me tell you - if ANY GUY out there has a problem with supplication, it'll be cured by listening to Tom Lykis. Sure, sometimes he goes too far and can sound very bitter about women. But for the most part, he speaks the truth.
Yeah, if you can't make a girl feel like a playful kid again, make her whole world a sensual playground without even having touched her, and fuck her in
a way she's never known before and will never know again, I guess you have to pretend like you have money and fame and are a dick to get laid.
>Tom's philosophy can really be divided into two parts - one is the technique, which is all about "getting laid for less money." The other is the philosophy, which is about having self respect, retaining your power, and keeping society from cutting off your balls.
Why would I even think about those things? They are a given, and you guys seem really worried about losing them.
>His point is that women don't undertand a man's need for sex. For us, ejaculation is as necessary as going to the bathroom.
He fails to under stand that sex is just as necessary for them. But they rarely if ever get really good sex. Mostly cuz guys like you think of nothing but ejaculating.
>Tom's philosophy is that if women aren't pleasing their men, their men will look for it elsewhere because that physical need to ejaculate is so strong.
Or they watch porn. What's the point and how does it help us? We gonna make all the women listen to this guys radio show?
> Ross tries to paint it as though Tom has this shallow view of sex, when in reality, he's trying to educate women on men's physical urges.
No, Ross probably sees alot of flaws and damaging info in this bratty jocky's memes and recognizes the opportunitty to do some good marketing while helping to derail the snake oil medicine show. Is that really so bad?
I mean here you are, the epitome of RAFC, and your making money off of a seduction site. If I were all pent up like you, I might fault you for it.
>Tom has been married 6 times. To my knowledge, Ross has never been married.
LOL being married 6 times (which equals six failures) is better than never being married ( which equals 0 failures and 0 dependents) ?
Jeez you've never actually been in a long term relationship, have you Thundy?
>and Tom has banged hundreds of women. To my knowledge, I don't know of any women Ross has banged.
Yes, Ross is one of the only gentlemen left in the PUA scene, and doesn't seem to have to expose his women to gain bragging rights. Since you know that Ross is good with women, I guess now your rant has just become a kind of age regression, and your reaching for straws.
I'm glad you look up to someone who brags about how many women he's "banged" enough that you can count them.
> (That's not to say there aren't any, I just don't know of any) Tom gets hot girls, and Ross, well, doesn't. Tom is rich. Ross isn't.
Not gonna back those statements up, are you, my
country bumpkin?
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Tuesday, July 22, 2008
Monday, July 21, 2008
How Songs of Seduction Began Part III
So now I had my Seduction album, chocked full of theory, hypnotic music, and NLP lyrics to get a woman feeling connected, exhilerated, and sexually aroused...but it had never been field tested as a whole!
It was time to see if this monster we had created had real world power, so we all took a copy and went out to play.
For me, an opportunity arose quickly. My cousin and I were pulling in to the local Applebee's for happy hour when we spotted a luscious HB from behind. We couldn't see her face but her body was incredible, with the most perfect latino ass you could ever see on a white girl. My cousin had quite a few words of praise to say about it as we were walking in.
We straddled up to the bar for a cold one, and after a few minutes I recognized a female friend walking by and stopped her to say hello. My cousin said, "She's the one," and asked her to spin around. Sure enough, it was the girl who had been walking in we we pulled up, and her face proved to be just as attractive as the rest of her.
She was meeting a guy friend, who was already at the bar, but we talked a while and exchanged numbers in a purely platonic way. I had hung out with this girl in the past, having mutual friends, but we had never really flirted or experienced any kind of attraction for one another, so I figured she was a great candidate to try the album out on.
I called her the next day and asked her if she wanted to go see the free symphony in the park, and told her some old friends were going to be there. In a few days I was picking her up like in my Ford Futura to go to the show. I had decided for the night not to use any game or NLP whatsoever, and simply enjoy myself while the seduction music did it's work on the way to the concert and on the way back.
So we talked about old times on the way to the park while the hypnotic music built rapport and connection in the background.
The park was loaded with people, and luckily she had brought a blanket and I had brought a bottle of wine. This wasn't perceived as a romantic thing by my lady riend, because blankets and wine are just what you do at a symphony in the park. We talked about the music, joked around, and chatted with people we knew who came walking by our spot, but no seduction lines or methods were used during the evening. Of course I observed the basics of not supplicating or using AFC compliments, but the most in the way of game I might have done during the outing was light, playful kino. I just can't help that- my hands have minds of their own when there's a luscious HB around!
She mentioned the Songs of Seduction music we had listened to several times during the concert, complimenting me on it and asking what the songs were about, even though some of the most skilled classical musicians in the southeast were playing some truly amazing music on stage right in front of us! It was hard not to just naturally run into patterning or game when she asked about the songs, because I had written most of them, and they were essentially patterns and game rolled up into hypnotic rock! So I said as little as I could and let the mystery do it's work.
On the way home we listened to the last four songs on the album, the ones that stimulate sexual arousal, and instead of even asking her I drove straight to MY house. She was flirting with me all the way home, giggling like a school girl as 'Do IT Now!" pounded through the speakers, and by the time we got out at my place she absolutely could not keep her hands off of me!
I actually had trouble opening the door while she was unbuckling my pants, but I eventually got inside and got the job done in right!
There was no doubt in my mind. This album worked!
When my LTOR got back from vacation, I found that it worked on her, too!
Anytime I wanted to get sexual, I found that I could just put the album in and we would be doing the dirty by the time it ended. In fact, it probably made me a very seductively lazy man, and I settled down into a domesticated, one-woman actual LTR for quite some time.
But after the night of that first success, I had to ask: does the album just work for me, or would it work for other people too?
After all, these women KNEW I wrote the music. My voice was on some of the tracks. My bandmates were reporting similar sucsexful stories, but they could claim ownership of the songs too. was it partly social and artistic clout that was getting us laid, or was this album working just as we had planned it to?
There was only one way to find out that we knew of: put he prototype on ebay.
The first album sold in 35 minutes and we've been selling them ever since, with 100% positive feedback and some really wild claims, so we soon knew we had done something right!
To check out what these satisfied customers have to say, check out my last blog post and BE AMAZED!
It was time to see if this monster we had created had real world power, so we all took a copy and went out to play.
For me, an opportunity arose quickly. My cousin and I were pulling in to the local Applebee's for happy hour when we spotted a luscious HB from behind. We couldn't see her face but her body was incredible, with the most perfect latino ass you could ever see on a white girl. My cousin had quite a few words of praise to say about it as we were walking in.
We straddled up to the bar for a cold one, and after a few minutes I recognized a female friend walking by and stopped her to say hello. My cousin said, "She's the one," and asked her to spin around. Sure enough, it was the girl who had been walking in we we pulled up, and her face proved to be just as attractive as the rest of her.
She was meeting a guy friend, who was already at the bar, but we talked a while and exchanged numbers in a purely platonic way. I had hung out with this girl in the past, having mutual friends, but we had never really flirted or experienced any kind of attraction for one another, so I figured she was a great candidate to try the album out on.
I called her the next day and asked her if she wanted to go see the free symphony in the park, and told her some old friends were going to be there. In a few days I was picking her up like in my Ford Futura to go to the show. I had decided for the night not to use any game or NLP whatsoever, and simply enjoy myself while the seduction music did it's work on the way to the concert and on the way back.
So we talked about old times on the way to the park while the hypnotic music built rapport and connection in the background.
The park was loaded with people, and luckily she had brought a blanket and I had brought a bottle of wine. This wasn't perceived as a romantic thing by my lady riend, because blankets and wine are just what you do at a symphony in the park. We talked about the music, joked around, and chatted with people we knew who came walking by our spot, but no seduction lines or methods were used during the evening. Of course I observed the basics of not supplicating or using AFC compliments, but the most in the way of game I might have done during the outing was light, playful kino. I just can't help that- my hands have minds of their own when there's a luscious HB around!
She mentioned the Songs of Seduction music we had listened to several times during the concert, complimenting me on it and asking what the songs were about, even though some of the most skilled classical musicians in the southeast were playing some truly amazing music on stage right in front of us! It was hard not to just naturally run into patterning or game when she asked about the songs, because I had written most of them, and they were essentially patterns and game rolled up into hypnotic rock! So I said as little as I could and let the mystery do it's work.
On the way home we listened to the last four songs on the album, the ones that stimulate sexual arousal, and instead of even asking her I drove straight to MY house. She was flirting with me all the way home, giggling like a school girl as 'Do IT Now!" pounded through the speakers, and by the time we got out at my place she absolutely could not keep her hands off of me!
I actually had trouble opening the door while she was unbuckling my pants, but I eventually got inside and got the job done in right!
There was no doubt in my mind. This album worked!
When my LTOR got back from vacation, I found that it worked on her, too!
Anytime I wanted to get sexual, I found that I could just put the album in and we would be doing the dirty by the time it ended. In fact, it probably made me a very seductively lazy man, and I settled down into a domesticated, one-woman actual LTR for quite some time.
But after the night of that first success, I had to ask: does the album just work for me, or would it work for other people too?
After all, these women KNEW I wrote the music. My voice was on some of the tracks. My bandmates were reporting similar sucsexful stories, but they could claim ownership of the songs too. was it partly social and artistic clout that was getting us laid, or was this album working just as we had planned it to?
There was only one way to find out that we knew of: put he prototype on ebay.
The first album sold in 35 minutes and we've been selling them ever since, with 100% positive feedback and some really wild claims, so we soon knew we had done something right!
To check out what these satisfied customers have to say, check out my last blog post and BE AMAZED!
Thursday, June 19, 2008
Testimonials
When we finished the Songs of Seduction Album and saw how much sargy sucsex with women WE were having with the music, the next step was to see how OTHER people would do with it. I mean, it's one thing when she knows that it's YOUR singing voice suggesting the right things to her in a song that makes her feel oh so good.
But how effective would it be for people who we didn't even know?
There was but one way to find out...
EBAY!
Now with over 500 copies sold, we are yet to have a single negative feedback. And with all those sales we have had only one single solitary return- a guy from Australia who didn't like Rock music and had thought for some reason that it was a Pop album!
No sir, that's Volume 3 which is still in the writing stage; we will inform you when it's released next year!
Just look at what people have to say about this incredibly seductive music!
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But how effective would it be for people who we didn't even know?
There was but one way to find out...
EBAY!
Now with over 500 copies sold, we are yet to have a single negative feedback. And with all those sales we have had only one single solitary return- a guy from Australia who didn't like Rock music and had thought for some reason that it was a Pop album!
No sir, that's Volume 3 which is still in the writing stage; we will inform you when it's released next year!
Just look at what people have to say about this incredibly seductive music!
Good quality download! Item as described! A+++ !!! Buyer: 1995harley-blue ( 139 )
Use this album and she won`t stand a chance ;-) Buyer:
mugdi ( 219 )
It worked!!!!!!!!!!! Buyer:
jestjohn7 ( 51 )
Just what I needed! Thanks! Buyer:
marswillbemars ( 17 )
TREMENDOUS!!!!!! I WANT MORE FROM THIS GUY!!!! Buyer:
spamplan ( 14 )
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How To Have Immediate, Easy, Natural Confidence With Women…NOW!
Even though Songs of Seduction will work wonders for your sex life in and of itself, using it with a complimentary method of persuasion (such as Speed Seduction, Swingcat's Real World Seduction, Tom Vizzinni and Kim McFarland's Essential Skills, or David Shade's Masterful-Lover products) will increases its power 10 fold!
That's why I'm going to be posting tips from various seduction gurus who's teachings I respect and whose seduction methods go hand in hand with our music.Ross Jeffries is first up. Our album was directly inspired by Speed Seduction and works on much the same model, so I'm sure you'll find that learning these free tips will expand your sargy sucsex exponentially!
Ross's newsletters start out with the basics, because let's face it, no matter how hot and ready YOUR patterns or MY music get her, her surrender is never certain if you are still an AFC!
Enjoy!
- Seduction Maestro
How To Have Immediate, Easy, Natural Confidence With Women…
NOW!
Dear Speed Seduction® Student,
Half of the revolutionary Speed Seduction® program is the
language techniques that call a woman's deepest feelings and
emotions to the surface, and, within minutes, link those
super-charged positive feelings to you so she….
…Is Driven To Want You Like A Bear To A Picnic!
But the other half are the incredible and very quick methods
that give you the confidence(even despite years of fear and
shyness) to actually…
…Go Out In Life And Use The Methods!
You see, the best techniques for seduction women are useless
if you don't have the confidence to actually use them.
And, if you are pushing great techniques through a wall of
fear, then that fearful energy will get all over the techniques
like a brown fog, and the techniques will fall flat.
Now, most guys spend far too much time trying to "get it right"
in their heads before they will actually try anything in the field.
Don't get me wrong. This "rehearsal confidence" can work
wonders. I even have a fantastic course on this, my Unstoppable
Confidence CD's, that you can actually download right now
from my website:
Speed Seduction!!
But often, what works best, is what I call "acceptance" confidence.
This means that, when it comes to something a bit new and scary,
you simply admit the truth to yourself WITHOUT any drama around it.
For example, you might think, quite truthfully:
1. I don't know what will happen if I go talk to that girl(
truth, you don't know! You can only GUESS!)
2. I don't like the fact that I don't know(truth again. You
aren't saying you can't take it or that it is awful, just
that you don't like it. Fair enough)
3. Let's go talk to her and find out what happens, at least
I will learn SOMETHING and I might have some fun. (again,
truth. You can always learn something and indeed, you might
indeed have fun with it)
The bottom line here is why it is great and useful to
rehearse feeling, looking, sounding and acting in new ways,
sometimes, for some guys who are already too trapped "in
their heads", aiming at being smooth or polished or poised
is the wrong thing to aim at!
Aim instead at "neutrality" which simply means looking at what
is true and refusing to dramatize the rest.
Now, let me add one last rule that will totally free you to
relax and have fun with even the hottest women, from start
to finish; from the initial opening approach all the way to
having your way with her.
"99% of the time, the worst that will happen is that NOTHING
will happen".
This image of women being vicious, cold, rejecting etc is
MOSTLY just a Hollywood movie fiction.
With the exception of clubs where women can often ACT that
way(doesn't mean they really are that way, just that they are
putting up a shield to avoid being mobbed by guys), most
women just don't care enough to be nasty to you if they don't
like your approach!
It's too big a waste of their energy and leaves THEM in a
bad mood if they are mean to you.
99% of the time, if a woman isn't interested, the worst that
will happen is nothing.
She won't yell at you.
She won't give you a mean look.
She won't call you names or call a cop.
If she isn't interested in you, she simply won't do anything.
She just won't respond or will respond very casually.
Most of the time, you will be surprised at how pleasant most
women are, even if they aren't into you or interested
romantically.
Ok, tune in next issue where I will reveal an easy, low-key,
undetectable method to pull women to you like a magnet
as soon as you enter a room. Any guy can do it, in minutes
no matter how previously tongue-tied or shy you might be.
Peace and piece,
RJ
P.S. Your Speed Seduction(R) Home Study course is your gold
key to the treasure chest of success with women, and it is
waiting for you here at:
Speed Seduction!!
Ross Jeffries
6245 Bristol Parkway #275
Culver City
CA 90230
United States
That's why I'm going to be posting tips from various seduction gurus who's teachings I respect and whose seduction methods go hand in hand with our music.Ross Jeffries is first up. Our album was directly inspired by Speed Seduction and works on much the same model, so I'm sure you'll find that learning these free tips will expand your sargy sucsex exponentially!
Ross's newsletters start out with the basics, because let's face it, no matter how hot and ready YOUR patterns or MY music get her, her surrender is never certain if you are still an AFC!
Enjoy!
- Seduction Maestro
How To Have Immediate, Easy, Natural Confidence With Women…
NOW!
Dear Speed Seduction® Student,
Half of the revolutionary Speed Seduction® program is the
language techniques that call a woman's deepest feelings and
emotions to the surface, and, within minutes, link those
super-charged positive feelings to you so she….
…Is Driven To Want You Like A Bear To A Picnic!
But the other half are the incredible and very quick methods
that give you the confidence(even despite years of fear and
shyness) to actually…
…Go Out In Life And Use The Methods!
You see, the best techniques for seduction women are useless
if you don't have the confidence to actually use them.
And, if you are pushing great techniques through a wall of
fear, then that fearful energy will get all over the techniques
like a brown fog, and the techniques will fall flat.
Now, most guys spend far too much time trying to "get it right"
in their heads before they will actually try anything in the field.
Don't get me wrong. This "rehearsal confidence" can work
wonders. I even have a fantastic course on this, my Unstoppable
Confidence CD's, that you can actually download right now
from my website:
Speed Seduction!!
But often, what works best, is what I call "acceptance" confidence.
This means that, when it comes to something a bit new and scary,
you simply admit the truth to yourself WITHOUT any drama around it.
For example, you might think, quite truthfully:
1. I don't know what will happen if I go talk to that girl(
truth, you don't know! You can only GUESS!)
2. I don't like the fact that I don't know(truth again. You
aren't saying you can't take it or that it is awful, just
that you don't like it. Fair enough)
3. Let's go talk to her and find out what happens, at least
I will learn SOMETHING and I might have some fun. (again,
truth. You can always learn something and indeed, you might
indeed have fun with it)
The bottom line here is why it is great and useful to
rehearse feeling, looking, sounding and acting in new ways,
sometimes, for some guys who are already too trapped "in
their heads", aiming at being smooth or polished or poised
is the wrong thing to aim at!
Aim instead at "neutrality" which simply means looking at what
is true and refusing to dramatize the rest.
Now, let me add one last rule that will totally free you to
relax and have fun with even the hottest women, from start
to finish; from the initial opening approach all the way to
having your way with her.
"99% of the time, the worst that will happen is that NOTHING
will happen".
This image of women being vicious, cold, rejecting etc is
MOSTLY just a Hollywood movie fiction.
With the exception of clubs where women can often ACT that
way(doesn't mean they really are that way, just that they are
putting up a shield to avoid being mobbed by guys), most
women just don't care enough to be nasty to you if they don't
like your approach!
It's too big a waste of their energy and leaves THEM in a
bad mood if they are mean to you.
99% of the time, if a woman isn't interested, the worst that
will happen is nothing.
She won't yell at you.
She won't give you a mean look.
She won't call you names or call a cop.
If she isn't interested in you, she simply won't do anything.
She just won't respond or will respond very casually.
Most of the time, you will be surprised at how pleasant most
women are, even if they aren't into you or interested
romantically.
Ok, tune in next issue where I will reveal an easy, low-key,
undetectable method to pull women to you like a magnet
as soon as you enter a room. Any guy can do it, in minutes
no matter how previously tongue-tied or shy you might be.
Peace and piece,
RJ
P.S. Your Speed Seduction(R) Home Study course is your gold
key to the treasure chest of success with women, and it is
waiting for you here at:
Speed Seduction!!
Ross Jeffries
6245 Bristol Parkway #275
Culver City
CA 90230
United States
Introducing Speed Seduction Newsletters!
Even though Songs of Seduction will work wonders for your sex life in and of itself, using it with a complimentary method of persuasion (such as Speed Seduction, Swingcat's Real World Seduction, Tom Vizzinni and Kim McFarland's Essential Skills, or David Shade's Masterful-Lover products) will increases its power 10 fold!
That's why I'm going to be posting tips from various seduction gurus who's teachings I respect and whose seduction methods go hand in hand with our music. Ross Jeffries is first up. Our album was directly inspired by Speed Seduction(TM) and works on much the same model, so I'm sure you'll find that learning these free tips will expand your sargy sucsex exponentially!
Ross's newsletters start out with the basics, because let's face it, no matter how hot and ready YOUR patterns or MY music get her, her surrender is never certain if you are still an AFC!
Enjoy!
- Seduction Maestro
How To Talk Women Into Your Bed
Dear Speed Seduction® Student,
In this issue, I want to introduce some of the core concepts
for getting really good at seducing hot women, even when
you don't have looks, social status or money.
You can find out even more by having a look at my
amazing Speed Seduction Home Study Course, right here:
HSC
The Three Power Principles To Get Any Girl Into Bed
Here are three power principles that will allow you
to have choice, variety and consistent success with
the most amazing women, without the 5 B's:
Bullying
Begging
Buying
Bullshit
Booze.
1. Focus on her feelings first. Get your mind off the
BEHAVIORS you want from her(sex, undying loyalty, threesomes,
etc) and put your mind and focus on what feeling states she
would have to be in, in order to want to naturally give you
those behaviors.
2. Realize that the key to her feelings is her imagination.
Capture and lead her imagination and you can generate the
intense feelings and emotions she craves.
3. The key to capturing her imagination AND emotions is how
you use your language both in terms of what YOU say and what
you get her to talk about.
Think of a woman you really, REALLY want to be with.
Wouldn't you like her to experience the following emotional
"states" with you?
*Chemistry
*Fascination
*Connection
*Desire
You would agree that those would be great for starters,
yes? That, given THOSE feelings, she would be far more likely
to say, "JUMP ME NOW" instead of "Let's just be friends!"
By the way, if the only thing you hear from women is "Let's
just be friends" it is because the only feeling states she
experiences around you are casual enjoyment and comfort.
Not enough to get her doing the grown up!)
Are you following along so far?
Now, you may have heard it said that women will decide in
the first ten seconds if they are going to sleep with a guy.
This is almost always NOT true. What is true is that when
women DO decide to sleep with you,(whether it's ten minutes
or ten months into knowing you) they will run that process
of deciding through their body and mind in LESS than ten
seconds.
A woman's attraction to you may SEEM mysterious, like it
comes out of thin air.
But in reality, it is part of a process that she runs
through her mind and in her body.
Use your language in the right way, learn to get her to
ask the right questions, and she will run those processes
and feel those feelings with YOU as if the attraction and
desire were perfectly natural(and in a sense it really will
be!)
That's when you get power, choice and predictable success
with the women you really want.
That sure beats a poke in the eye, doesn't it?
And isn't that what we all really want?
Ok. I think I've piled enough on you for now. But I want
you to really re-read this newsletter another time. Maybe
print it out and take it with you for a long walk, and think
about the implications and how it begins to make sense of a
very important piece of your life. Remember the more we can
"de-mystify" women's emotions and make them something we can
bring to the surface and LINK to us, the more power, choice,
and enjoyment with women we are going to have; women most
guys just get to dream about.
In the next issue we'll get into the nuts and bolts of how
to actually start using your language to do this.
Until then,
P e a c e a n d p i e c e ,
R o s s
P.S. If you want to find out more about the Speed Seduction®
Home Study Course that has gotten thousands of guys going
strongly in the seduction game, getting them the women they
really want, check out my website, with free video files at:
United StatesFree Vids!
This newsletter and all contents are copyright 2006, Ross
Jeffries. This newsletter may be reposted and redistributed
in any format provided all content and all links are left
intact and proper authorship credit is given.
Ross Jeffries
6245 Bristol Parkway #275
Culver City
CA 90230
That's why I'm going to be posting tips from various seduction gurus who's teachings I respect and whose seduction methods go hand in hand with our music. Ross Jeffries is first up. Our album was directly inspired by Speed Seduction(TM) and works on much the same model, so I'm sure you'll find that learning these free tips will expand your sargy sucsex exponentially!
Ross's newsletters start out with the basics, because let's face it, no matter how hot and ready YOUR patterns or MY music get her, her surrender is never certain if you are still an AFC!
Enjoy!
- Seduction Maestro
How To Talk Women Into Your Bed
Dear Speed Seduction® Student,
In this issue, I want to introduce some of the core concepts
for getting really good at seducing hot women, even when
you don't have looks, social status or money.
You can find out even more by having a look at my
amazing Speed Seduction Home Study Course, right here:
HSC
The Three Power Principles To Get Any Girl Into Bed
Here are three power principles that will allow you
to have choice, variety and consistent success with
the most amazing women, without the 5 B's:
Bullying
Begging
Buying
Bullshit
Booze.
1. Focus on her feelings first. Get your mind off the
BEHAVIORS you want from her(sex, undying loyalty, threesomes,
etc) and put your mind and focus on what feeling states she
would have to be in, in order to want to naturally give you
those behaviors.
2. Realize that the key to her feelings is her imagination.
Capture and lead her imagination and you can generate the
intense feelings and emotions she craves.
3. The key to capturing her imagination AND emotions is how
you use your language both in terms of what YOU say and what
you get her to talk about.
Think of a woman you really, REALLY want to be with.
Wouldn't you like her to experience the following emotional
"states" with you?
*Chemistry
*Fascination
*Connection
*Desire
You would agree that those would be great for starters,
yes? That, given THOSE feelings, she would be far more likely
to say, "JUMP ME NOW" instead of "Let's just be friends!"
By the way, if the only thing you hear from women is "Let's
just be friends" it is because the only feeling states she
experiences around you are casual enjoyment and comfort.
Not enough to get her doing the grown up!)
Are you following along so far?
Now, you may have heard it said that women will decide in
the first ten seconds if they are going to sleep with a guy.
This is almost always NOT true. What is true is that when
women DO decide to sleep with you,(whether it's ten minutes
or ten months into knowing you) they will run that process
of deciding through their body and mind in LESS than ten
seconds.
A woman's attraction to you may SEEM mysterious, like it
comes out of thin air.
But in reality, it is part of a process that she runs
through her mind and in her body.
Use your language in the right way, learn to get her to
ask the right questions, and she will run those processes
and feel those feelings with YOU as if the attraction and
desire were perfectly natural(and in a sense it really will
be!)
That's when you get power, choice and predictable success
with the women you really want.
That sure beats a poke in the eye, doesn't it?
And isn't that what we all really want?
Ok. I think I've piled enough on you for now. But I want
you to really re-read this newsletter another time. Maybe
print it out and take it with you for a long walk, and think
about the implications and how it begins to make sense of a
very important piece of your life. Remember the more we can
"de-mystify" women's emotions and make them something we can
bring to the surface and LINK to us, the more power, choice,
and enjoyment with women we are going to have; women most
guys just get to dream about.
In the next issue we'll get into the nuts and bolts of how
to actually start using your language to do this.
Until then,
P e a c e a n d p i e c e ,
R o s s
P.S. If you want to find out more about the Speed Seduction®
Home Study Course that has gotten thousands of guys going
strongly in the seduction game, getting them the women they
really want, check out my website, with free video files at:
United StatesFree Vids!
This newsletter and all contents are copyright 2006, Ross
Jeffries. This newsletter may be reposted and redistributed
in any format provided all content and all links are left
intact and proper authorship credit is given.
Ross Jeffries
6245 Bristol Parkway #275
Culver City
CA 90230
Thursday, June 5, 2008
How Songs of Seduction Began
It all started about 5 years ago when I was at the top of my game. I had just gotten back from a tour in Europe with a prominent jazz/hip-hop artist that ended with a homecoming at the Atlanta Jazz Festival, and had started a new original band based in Savannah. In this band, I was going to be the lead guy again, center stage.
It was a great opportunitty in more ways than one.
I guess I should back up and give a little background for this scenario. I'd been seriously studying the PUA skills for a little over two years at this point. At the time, Mystery was just a Master PUA, and hadn't published anything except on Cliff's List and alt.seduction.fast. I got my info and advice from the SS List and Cliff's List mostly, and Lairs hadn't quite begun yet. Anyway there was no one from P.A.I.R in Savannah yet, and the only time I met with other PUAs was when I'd go out of town on tour or for a seminar. I'd been to two seminars. One was with the Essential Skills group, who comped me a press-pass ticket since I was also a journalist at the time (regretfully, my editor nixed the article). And about five months prior, I had been given a free seminar by Ross Jeffries in Atlanta for a sarge report I had posted on his private list.
At the Speed Seduction Seminar in Atlanta, Ross was teaching his new hyper-responsiveness and signal recognition technology, and there were over 30 guys to sarge with in the streets of Atlanta, so needless to say I had fun and learned alot. What's more, something happened that helped lead to the Songs of Seduction.
While talking to 40ish SS Student about my being an accomplished musician, he asked me "Didn't you get alot of girls playing all over Europe and the East Coast, without SS?"
I had to think about the answer for a minute, but I replied something like, "Actually, no. Every once and a while I might hook up by accident, but all music really gets you is social proof. Anyway, I didn't know how to recognize an SOI, and much less know how to act on it. It's still not getting me laid, only the PUA skills are. There's hardly time between sets and load-up and load-out to get to talk to the women. The hot ones are often gone before we finish breaking down and getting paid."
There was another musican talking with us at the seminar, and he agreed that he had had the same experience in his gigging pursuits. It got me to thinking...
There was alot of talk on the Lists about the NLP language Peter Parker uses in the first Spiderman movie when talking to Mary Jane. I used that as a springboard for a song that would help me to single out a specific woman in an audience and begin to seduce her before the set break, so that I might choose the women in the audience that I liked rather than the ones who happened to be sticking around after the end of the show. The result was "To MJ," and it worked wonders for me.
Next post, I'll disclose how that first song developed into the Songs of Seduction, the album that gets your woman in the mood just by playing in the background!
It was a great opportunitty in more ways than one.
I guess I should back up and give a little background for this scenario. I'd been seriously studying the PUA skills for a little over two years at this point. At the time, Mystery was just a Master PUA, and hadn't published anything except on Cliff's List and alt.seduction.fast. I got my info and advice from the SS List and Cliff's List mostly, and Lairs hadn't quite begun yet. Anyway there was no one from P.A.I.R in Savannah yet, and the only time I met with other PUAs was when I'd go out of town on tour or for a seminar. I'd been to two seminars. One was with the Essential Skills group, who comped me a press-pass ticket since I was also a journalist at the time (regretfully, my editor nixed the article). And about five months prior, I had been given a free seminar by Ross Jeffries in Atlanta for a sarge report I had posted on his private list.
At the Speed Seduction Seminar in Atlanta, Ross was teaching his new hyper-responsiveness and signal recognition technology, and there were over 30 guys to sarge with in the streets of Atlanta, so needless to say I had fun and learned alot. What's more, something happened that helped lead to the Songs of Seduction.
While talking to 40ish SS Student about my being an accomplished musician, he asked me "Didn't you get alot of girls playing all over Europe and the East Coast, without SS?"
I had to think about the answer for a minute, but I replied something like, "Actually, no. Every once and a while I might hook up by accident, but all music really gets you is social proof. Anyway, I didn't know how to recognize an SOI, and much less know how to act on it. It's still not getting me laid, only the PUA skills are. There's hardly time between sets and load-up and load-out to get to talk to the women. The hot ones are often gone before we finish breaking down and getting paid."
There was another musican talking with us at the seminar, and he agreed that he had had the same experience in his gigging pursuits. It got me to thinking...
There was alot of talk on the Lists about the NLP language Peter Parker uses in the first Spiderman movie when talking to Mary Jane. I used that as a springboard for a song that would help me to single out a specific woman in an audience and begin to seduce her before the set break, so that I might choose the women in the audience that I liked rather than the ones who happened to be sticking around after the end of the show. The result was "To MJ," and it worked wonders for me.
Next post, I'll disclose how that first song developed into the Songs of Seduction, the album that gets your woman in the mood just by playing in the background!
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